Tuesday, June 05, 2007

Green unions.

Man, this steams me.

OK, so apparently the ETU head-thug, Dean Mighell admitted to pulling off a “bullshit stunt” in a pattern agreement, which was “good fun”, and “dickhead” employers paid “millions of dollars” to workers, which they “shouldn’t have”.

A tape of this got to the media and Rudd gets him out of the ALP. I’m not entirely sure why, but I suspect its part of his Tough on Unions campaign. (And I’m sure this is the first Labor has heard of any such activity, despite its ties with the union movement.)

Apparently he “bragged about obtaining pay rises for workers by threatening strike action.” It’s all to do with pattern bargaining, which the ALP claims it doesn’t support.

So, the workers can be united, but not so united they unite with other workers on other sites? But that means the ALP only supports individual-workplace agreements.

Anyways, Labor handed back the cash that the ETU had donated. Mostly as a PR exercise, because the Liberals will milk it for all its worth.

The Greens got some ETU donations as well, but refused to return the money. It’s not the first time the Greens have received union donations, but they usually come as a protest against the ALP, and go to other minor parties as well. Just recently, there were a few news articles looking at the Greens from a workers rights perspective – which is ace.

Bob Brown:Labor seems to be drifting away and feeling frightened to back its traditional union base. The Greens would not do that.”

Rachel Siewert:A number of them are realising and are seeing day by day the ALP step back from some key IR positions: AWAs, collective bargaining, right to strike, unfair dismissal and now the Building and Construction Commission. I think it's fair to say a number of them are concerned."

Senator Siewert said the likelihood of the Greens holding the balance of power in the Senate meant her party would seek to amend Labor's legislation in key areas and ensure WorkChoices was removed

Richard Di Natale:The Greens were increasingly seen as the workplace party".

Greens holding the balance of power in the Senate is becoming quite important. The ALP can then safely lose the less worker-friendly policies, whilst retaining their business cred – but there are many issues where they can ensure Labor is kept honest.

Pike takes a swipe:

Victorian Health Minister Bronwyn Pike, who fought a tight campaign against the Greens to retain her seat at the last state election, criticised Mr Mighell's donation.

"The Greens have been working hard to get rid of Labor members in Melbourne and his donation is hardly an action that would see a Rudd Labor government elected," she said.

That’s the same Pike that ran an anti-Green smear campaign against the Greens in Victoria, where the Greens defended themselves without attacking Labor back. Her seat was the best chance for a Green win, which seemed to have triggered the anti-Green brigade into action – and it hasn’t, obviously, ceased.

And her point is, in itself, bizarre – donating union funds to the Greens won’t elect Labor? Even if donations to the Greens meant more votes for them, then more votes would expire and then end up flowing to Labor, as they always do, thereby ensuring a Rudd Labor government. So even if it made sense, it’d still be wrong.

What the unions said:

AMWU acting national secretary Dave Oliver said his union would be looking to work with both the Greens and the ALP to "get rid of these rotten laws".

CFMEU national construction secretary Dave Noonan said no decision had been made yet about donations to the Greens.

Community and Public Sector Union national secretary Stephen Jones said he "wouldn't be disappointed" if the Greens held the balance of power in the Senate. "It's good to see the Greens taking a principled stance on IR," he said.

ACTU president Sharan Burrow said unions acknowledged the Greens had a strong history of supporting workers' rights. "However unions well understand that the only alternative government that could reinstate fair and balanced IR laws would be a Labor government," she added.

That’s not too bad, considering Oliver is not only an ALP member, but his position was previously held by Doug Cameron (before he got launched into a safe Labor seat). Sharan Burrow’s position was also previously held by Greg Combet (before he got launched into a safe Labor seat.) Not sure about the others, but from an ALP bunch – I guess that’s the best they can manage.

Andrew Bartlett has his say:

Andy points out how in 2004, Labor previously claimed he was supporting “fascist” and “evil legislation” when he supported the ABCC. Labor now plans to maintain the commission (in worse form than when the Democrats supported it) until 2010, which has upset a few unionists. He also notes the other Labor backflips, and stresses the need for an independent and rational voice in the Senate.

Nothing wrong with that, I agree. But he then slams the Greens as an inappropriate choice for that voice, because they are too busy “courting large trade union donations”, and “positioning themselves as more union than Labor”.

He then slams them again in the comments, because their claims of “donations eroding the democratic process” are a “double standard”, and that the Greens have attacked him for smaller donations before. He makes a note about how important the size of the donation is, and claims Democrats deserve the credit for the disclosure laws anyway. Ouch.

But the Greens are freaks, they have 3 pages of bylaws dedicated to preventing corruption in their own party through donations. There’s a review process, restrictions on who can donate, who can accept donations, transparency requirements, rejection policy, a definition of what constitutes a donation, and a detailed description of what constitutes a conflict of interest – using the OECD standard.

The Democrats seem to only have a few lines that meet this requirement – a pledge to not be “beholden to groups” (under Objectives), and a promise to obey funding laws (under Funding, in the Constitution).

There are many examples of corruption in the major parties, so checking their policies isn’t necessary. But essentially, I just don’t see how anyone could buy the Greens.

My point:
It's good to see the Greens' worker-justice policies being recognized.

And to the guy on Bartlett's blog that claims "there’s no reason why the Greens are any more or less immune to influence than any other political party." There are 883 reasons why - because that's how many words in the bylaws that prevent it. They are beholden to the Charter. Under no circumstances (not even under a conscience vote) can they act in contradiction of the Charter. They can act against national policy under conscience, or in the interests of the electorate.

This is spelled out in black and white, well thought out, thorough, and brilliant. The Greens can be branded 'just another party' when the others come close to this level of protection. Until then, give it a rest. They'll support unions in their social justice role regardless of whether they get no donations, or tens of thousands of dollars worth - because that's what they do.

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14 Comments:

At 3:44 pm, June 06, 2007, Blogger Gam said...

organised capital controls the media. people are stupid and the media moulds their perceptions. this means when unions fuck up, their fuck ups are writ large. this means stupid stunts and attempts to fuck employers over are a bad idea if you want people to join unions. it gives anti-union actors, who have the megaphone, a cheap and easy means to attack the one thing unions have going for them, that they ensure fairness in the workplace.

nonsense like that also makes it harder for unions to do their job, which is mostly negotiating between workers and employers. when workers go on strike mighell might keep getting paid but they sure as hell don't. as such i'm quite happy rudd made an example of him.

if you're in favour of no holds barred exploitation of employers then you're in favour of the same exploitation of workers. the whole point of union activism isn't to screw employers over and no one should be enforcing that stereotype.

howard's drop in the polls will be over in a fucking nano-second if the public ever starts to be convinced that unions control workers, rather than the other way around. while that might win bob brown a few more seats (he's pulled off a shrewd little move cosying up to disaffected unions) the rest of us will be fucked with another term of howard in control of everything.

 
At 7:18 pm, June 06, 2007, Blogger Sarah said...

I haven't read the transcript of what Mighell said- i was under the impression that the problem lies in the fact that the tape of Mighell's speech came out in an election year, potentially embarrassing the ALP, not in what he actually said- but I'm glad the greens are finally getting some positive press in regards to their stance on worker's rights.

 
At 10:42 pm, June 06, 2007, Blogger Larry Bonewend said...

Generally the way negotiations work is employer offers less than deserved, unions demand more than deserved, employers pull out the goodies from their tactics bag, unions pull out... industrial action.

There aren't really any other bargaining chips for unions.

An employer can say 'no overtime'.

If the members vote to enact overtime bans, the union has to apply + wait for an AEC official to organise a secret ballot, the members all get a vote, the results come in, plus it needs to be approved, and then the members are allowed to avoid overtime. But they can't be forced to - in fact they have the right to ignore it altogether. (There's the idiotic bullying factor, but it is, and should be, outlawed.)

I've been hunting for some examples where employers have been genuinely screwed by unions, but I've only ever found generalised suggestions that it occurs by anti-unionists. (If you know any, let me know.)

But aside from these elusive cases, the ball is in the employers court.

And industrial action is all they have to play with. Employees can get paid during industrial action with go-slow and work-to-rule, they can still get paid with overtime bans, and even if they strike unions can provide funds to keep them from starving, and donations are frequently given for those in long term action.

There was no suggestion Mighell acted against the will of his members, no suggestion the members weren't willing or able to strike, nor was there even any suggestion a strike was threatened at all.

His crime was probably his language, and admitting the employers shouldn't have paid up, and over the years it would amount to millions.

The role of the union is to get the best outcome for its members - bankrupting a business or industry is not in their best interests, and there are many cases of unions being considerate of this. If they ask for 10% and they get it, and there are no serious repercussions for the business (the onus is on the employer to establish this), why should they refuse to accept such a high figure?

A lot of negotiations work amicably - a fair amount is offered/demanded and accepted instantly. Other times you start from positions where you screw each other over, and meet in the middle, or at either end. This can be initiated by either party.

There seem to be unions that use bullying tactics (on their members and employers), strike for obscene reasons, and exploit employers. It's not social justice, it's greed, and quite possibly based on spiteful Marxist capitalism-hating nuts. And I have nothing but contempt for them.

Unionists can get power-mad, much like bosses do.

Unions do control workers, most workers don't understand their rights, bargaining, or all the finer points of industrial relations - they pay unions to do that. There's a blind trust in the union to do what is right by them.

It's not always the case, but many haven't the interest nor ability to comprehend it all.

This trust can be abused by a delegate enacting personal attacks against the corporate machine he dispises, or by using his/her position for his/her own political aspirations.

But I'm not sure if there was any suggestion of unions controlling workers here though - and I don't see why that would be better for Bob Browns chances.

Anyway, I have no idea what my point was.

 
At 8:51 pm, June 08, 2007, Blogger Justine said...

Well Larry, once you've written that much you don't really need a point any more ;)

OK, so on the whole? On the whole you are impressed with the G's but disappointed by what they are copping? Really seems like a pity Bartlett working on splitting the minor vote.

Can I just say though Gam - people aren't stupid, and Larry - people are ABLE. Superiority in tone doesn't help anything. It puts people off. They miss what you're saying and only hear how you're saying it. Fuck man, that is what I HATE about union shit: a bunch of big tough men all being better and more working class and more righteous than everybody. Can't tell you how 5 minutes in a room with a union thug shuts my shutters. They act like if you gave them a couple of guns, they wouldn't hesitate to cleanse their opponents.
Obviously that was less an actual comment and more of a vent :)

"It's not social justice, it's greed, and quite possibly based on spiteful Marxist capitalism-hating nuts."
spot on. well said.

 
At 9:49 pm, June 08, 2007, Blogger Justine said...

totally off the topic:

"The inadvisably excessive consumption of intoxicants and subsequent paralytical inebriation has rendered the prospect of copulation unviable.

Impetuous young miscreant subscribers to the philosophies and policies of the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei should remove themselves from this locale post-haste.

Rise up, disenfranchised and downtrodden tenants! For the time to suspend by the neck the figurehead of our collective oppression is at hand."

Did you get it?

from

http://www.qi.com/talk/viewtopic.php?t=7385&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15&sid=c6321113a43995320269a8c5bb9cf0af

 
At 12:05 am, June 09, 2007, Blogger Larry Bonewend said...

I'm sure Mighell is a thug, but this just isn't the proof. Getting 2% per year over inflation (for a 2 year agreement) isn't extreme, and to be blunt - the media straight out lied about it (claiming he threatened industrial action when he did no such thing).

There's an implication that union heads should never admit that they would have accepted less than the employer agreed to - in case they're being secretly taped. Or never swear because there could be a spy somewhere. That's terrible.

There is a union hero effect - there's even a union swagger. Even I noticed myself doing it. Chest puffs out and everything. Crazy shit. (I don't think many are aware enough to realise the change in themselves, let alone be wary of, or avoid, it.)

I tried to be a very social-justice unionist, but I can't say it was particularly easy. Trying to encourage greed/dollar-driven members to push for a 36 hour week instead of an above-inflation pay rise, because they see little of their families, is frustrating when it fails entirely.

The McKids lose out when the McMortgage on the McMansion is the greatest concern.

The only time I was thuggish was to members that harrassed non-members. Heck I even converted at least one virulent righty anti-unionist by telling them if a member makes a single prejudice comment about their decision to not join, to come straight to me (or management) and I'll have a go at them.

But now I've left and let another chap be a delegate - and he quickly transformed into a "big tough man, all better, more working class and more righteous than everybody".

Too drunk to fuck.
Nazi punks fuck off.
Let's lynch the landlord.
(And all before I clicked the link!)

 
At 12:13 am, June 09, 2007, Blogger Larry Bonewend said...

Withdraw the existence of those without.

Constabulary lorry

Southest Asian break.

 
At 1:30 pm, June 09, 2007, Blogger Gam said...

oh dear justine. i'm reminded of an old saying in tennessee - i know it's in texas, it's probably in tennessee - that says: fool me once, shame on... shame on you... fool me four or more times on meaningless single issues and call me an australian voter.

 
At 8:41 pm, June 09, 2007, Blogger Justine said...

the thug thing - I didn't mean you, Jello.

Gam, I didn't mean you either btw, and I basically agreed with everything else you said in your first comment.
I understand your point;
its the tone of the 'sack of potatoes' polemic that my knee jerked at.

 
At 11:53 pm, June 09, 2007, Blogger Larry Bonewend said...

I was *this* close to missing the Bush quote there, Gam.

Sack of potatoes polemic? I'm sorry, I'm horrifically un-well-read and I haven't the foggiest.

And I know you didn't mean me, I agree that that self-martyred union crap exists, but I'm no subscriber (and don't call me Jello - you're obsessed with that photo, eh?)

All people are stupid, it's just that the degrees of stupidity varies. We're commenting and publishing political blogs - we're freakin' at least 3 standard deviations from the mean of intelligence here.

We aren't normal. And by normal, I mean within 1 (heck, even 2) standard deviations of the IQ curve. But we are second only to troglodytes if we allow ourselves to be ruled by the ignoramuses that permeate our world. (That's a tangent, sorry.)

 
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